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        <title>Marijn van Putten, BA</title>   
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        <p>That&#39;s right after 3 years and a bit, I am now officially a Bachelor of Arts in Comparative Indo-European Linguistics. Yay me, and yay for shameless self-promotion!</p><p>So I finished my final Bachelor Thesis with a score of 9/10, that is to say, pretty damn good. And therefore I shall treat you guys on this goodness, my thesis on the <a href="http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=63a51edc8a4a7b38d9d5c56d04dfa8b0e04e75f6e8ebb871">Consonant Gradation in the Indo-European Verb</a>.</p><p>I am sure that it will lead to loads of discussion, because there is a lot to discuss, and even more is uncertain. But I am willing to discuss it all, it&#39;s an exciting subject. So enjoy!</p><p>[EDIT] Due to issues with rapidshare, I now uploaded my thesis to Mediafire (Thanks Tropylium!), please let me know if anyone runs into issues.<br /></p>   <p style="clear:both;"> 
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        <title>Cold Kaki&#39;s</title>   
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        <p>Recently I&#39;ve been doing a class on fieldwork, in this class we have an informant who speaks Minangkabau, a Malay dialect spoken by about 5 million people around Padang (which was recently hit by quite a severe earthquake).</p><p>Last week it was my turn to elicit some words and sentences from the informant, and one of the things that was elicited was the word for &#39;leg&#39; <em>kaki</em>. This word struck me as odd, but I had no idea why.</p><p>Just now my mom came in, it&#39;s a cold evening, and she had cold feet.</p><p>I tell her <em>wow, wat heb je kouwe kakkies </em>&#39; wow you have cold feet&#39;. And then it struck me why the word had seemed so familiar: <em>kakkies</em> is a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bargoens"><em>bargoens</em></a> word for &#39;feet&#39;. And yes this is indeed a loanword from Indonesian!<br /></p>   <p style="clear:both;"> 
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        <title>Afro-Asiatic is weird</title>   
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        <p>As the title says, I am often perplexed by afro-asiatic. I&#39;ve learned some Arabic and Hebrew, followed a class on comparative semitic, I have a (hardly looked at) book on Egyptian, and I&#39;m currently following a class on Riffian Berber and general Berber Linguistics. </p><p>Studying these languages it seems silly to deny that Proto-Afro-Asiatic must have existed. So I won&#39;t. But what always puzzles me, is the fact that unlike Indo-European the &#39;proof&#39; for Afro-Asiatic is quite the opposite of what kind of proof we find in Indo-European.</p><p>Lexical items in Afro-Asiatic that are cognate, are <em>extremely</em> hard to find. This is quite the opposite in Indo-European, where lexical items were the first things to catch the attention of a certain relation between the languages.</p><p>But the morphology of Afro-Asiatic is disturbingly similar. Obvious are things like -t suffix for the feminine, but even personal endings of verbs are surprisingly similar in Afro-Asiatic.</p><p>This is completely unlike Indo-European. Sure Sanskrit and Greek grammatically are almost clones of each other, but I make it no secret that I believe that the relation between Sanskrit and Greek is <em>a lot</em> closer than some people claim. But reconstructing a uniform image of the verbal system or even morphology when comparing Sanskrit to, say, Germanic, stuff gets a lot more confusing. </p><p>And then we&#39;re talking about Germanic and Sanskrit. The time depth of Indo-European is a LOT less than that of Afro-Asiatic. Is there something inherent to the way the language&#39;s&#160; structure which makes morphemes more resistant to change? That seems odd, structurally you could argue Indo-European at an early stage (but post-syncope) was quite similar to Afro-Asiatic languages.</p><p>Of course this &#39;morphological but not lexical&#39; change resistance is more of a &#39;feeling&#39; I get, then anything I ever measured. So maybe I&#39;m wrong about this. Maybe Afro-Asiatic is just as innovating in the morphological department as Indo-European, but just a whole lot more innovating in the lexical department.</p><p>This is me just rambling to a point that it&#39;s appallingly unscientific, but I guess it&#39;ll set some of your brains into motion, and that&#39;ll be enough. :-P<br /></p>   <p style="clear:both;"> 
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        <title>19th of October</title>   
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        <p>The 19th of october, that will be the date that I will be defending my Bachelor thesis on Consonant Gradation in the Verbal System of Proto-Indo-European.</p><p>This defense is open to public, if any reader happens to be around and wants to come, he is invited to place a comment, then I&#39;ll provide more information.</p><p>After that I can officially call myself Bachelor of Arts in Comparative Indo-European Linguistics, which is kind of cool.<br /> </p>   <p style="clear:both;"> 
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        <title>One shall not Stop to blog!</title>   
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        <published>2009-09-15T23:48:45Z</published>
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        <p>Hey guys! Long time no see. My Bachelor thesis was eating a lot of time, combined with work on the Greek Etymological Dictionary and me just simply enjoying my holiday. But I&#39;m back, with this word that has been bothering me for some time now.</p><p>The word Skt. <em>sthā-</em> &#39;to stand&#39;, is besides its double representation of the Laryngeal quite straightforward. Now if we look at its causative though, something really funny happens. Usually a causative is formed by giving the root lengthened grade (from PIE <em>*o</em> in open syllables) and adding the suffix<em> -aya</em>-. Words ending in vowels though would get the situation where we&#39;d have <em>**sthā-aya-</em>. which is a rather unfortunate cluster of vowels. To remedy this, Sanskrit puts a <em>-p-</em> between the root and the suffix resulting in <em>sthāpaya- </em>&#39;to cause to stand; to stop&#39;.</p><p>Why a <em>p</em>? This is not at all a natural transitional consonant you&#39;d put there. A <em>y</em> would be a lot more likely (and quite common practice in Sanskrit). Since it can not be readily understood by phonetic reasons, there&#39;s two more examples. The Vedic people were feeling funny, and thought it&#39;d be nice to come up with a completely nonsensical transition sound, or it is archaic.</p><p>As a historical linguist, I feel compelled to further research the archaic option. Indo-European has certain elements behind certain stems called &#39;stem-extension&#39;. These are always simple consonants like <em>*k, *p</em> or <em>*u</em>.<em> </em>The function of these stem-extensions have always been a bit mysterious. A nice example is the root <em>*(s)ker- &#39;</em>&#39;to cut&#39; as found in Dutch <em>scheren</em> &#39;to shave&#39; beside <em>*(s)ker-p- </em>which we find in Old English <em>sceorfan</em> &#39;to bite&#39;. </p><p>I believe that this <em>p</em> that shows up in Sanskrit might give us an indication of the original function of the <em>*p</em>-stem-extension. Maybe originally this was a way to form causatives from verbal stems, which was later replaced by the common textbook causative formation. A nice note to put with this is, that Anatolian indeed is unfamiliar with the textbook causative formation, so there&#39;s some indication that it&#39;s recent.</p><p>While most <em>p</em>-causatives in Vedic Sanskrit occur after Laryngeal final roots, there are a few verbs that show this <em>p</em> even without them ending in a vowel/laryngeal. These are <em>r̥</em>- &#39;to go&#39;; <em>ar-p-áya-</em> &#39;cause to go&#39; and <em>kṣi-</em> &#39;to dwell&#39; <em>kṣe-p-áya-</em> &#39;cause to dwell&#39;.</p><p>All in old, Sanskrit seems to give a strong indication that the <em>*p</em>-stem extension is an old causative formation. Now we must look to see if there&#39;s any other words out there in other languages that seem to support this idea. Germanic <em>*(s)ker- </em>&#39;to shave/cut&#39;&#39; ~ <em>*(s)ker-p-</em> &#39;to bite&#39; might be seen as a reflex of this, though the difference is rather more intensive than causative. </p><p>There is <em>lots</em> more to say about these stem extensions, and I&#39;m nowhere near done figuring them out. There&#39;s some really odd stuff going on with the voice of these extensions for example. They seem to become pre-glottalised sometimes for no apparent reason.</p><p>As a final little side-note <em>sthāpaya-</em> looks suprisingly much like the Dutch verb <em>stoppen </em>&#39;to stop&#39;. I don&#39;t buy the commonly cited Latin etymology <em>stupere</em> (it wouldn&#39;t explain with Dutch and Enlish both have the vowel <em>o</em> rather than <em>u</em>, or English with <em>u</em> and Dutch with <em>o</em>), it can hardly be cognate either, since the vowels would be wrong, and Dutch <em>p</em> points to PIE *b, which is very odd to have in the first place. So until I make any significant breakthrough on this bizarre word (which even if it is from Latin has a difficult reconstruction), I&#39;ll consider it completely unrelated.<br /></p>   <p style="clear:both;"> 
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        <title>More funny prescriptivism</title>   
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        <published>2009-08-08T13:47:38Z</published>
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        <p>The other day I had a discussion about the Dutch verb <em>willen</em> &#39;to want&#39;. It is a funny verb, because it formally has two past tenses. Both <em>wou</em> and <em>wilde</em>.</p><p>I was watching a movie in which the form <em>wou</em> was used in the subtitles and the person who I was watching it with pointed out that it looked silly and was incorrect. She claimed that <em>wilde</em> was the correct formal form. Luckily our lovely language hasn&#39;t been <a href="http://www.ourlocalstyle.com/images/uploadImages/2006/05/03/cnhVerbingWeirdsLanguage.gif">prescriptivised</a> to a level that a perfectly correct form like <em>wou</em> is deemed incorrect, but it does show how people feel about it. Even I tend to avoid <em>wou</em> when writing formal letters.</p><p>The funniest thing is, <em>wou</em> is the historically correct form. <em>willen</em> belongs to a small class of funny germanic verbs that are <em>ja</em>-verbs in the present, but behave as normal verbs in the preterite. So, <em>willen</em> goes back to <em>*wiljan</em> while its past tense is a perfectly normal Germanic preterite <em>*wal</em>. In other words, it&#39;s a strong verb.</p><p>In general though <em>ja</em>-presents are weak verbs, while those without a suffix are strong, and this is the reason why it was changed to <em>wilde</em>. For example <em>rillen</em> &#39;to shake&#39; has a past tense <em>rilde</em> from <em>*riljan </em>and <em>*riliða</em> where in the preterite the <em>*j</em>-suffix shows up in its vocalised form <em>*i.</em> By analogy of this class of verbs, a secondary preterite of <em>willen</em> was easily made, making the verb regular rather than irregular.</p><p>What I find remarkable is that, generally more &#39;formal&#39; language tends to be a bit more archaic, but in this case, people seem to prefer an analogically levelled form over a form that preceeds it by well over a 1000 years.<br /> </p>   <p style="clear:both;"> 
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        <title>The Magnetic Fields</title>   
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        <p>Not sure if any of you ever saw this, but there&#39;s a band called The Magnetic Fields who did a song on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_de_Saussure">Ferdinand de Saussure</a>, which is cool enough for me to justify posting it here.</p>
    
    
    


    
    
    

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        <title>She-Wolves and Godesses</title>   
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        <p>She-Wolves and Godesses in Sanskrit are and odd bunch. You have two types of ī-stems in Sanskrit (and also in Indo-european) the hysterodynamic and proterodynamic ones.</p><p>vṛkī- &#39;she-wolf&#39; is one of the Hysterodynamic ones (which is quite rare).</p><p>nom. vṛkīs&#160; ( &lt; *-iH-s)<br />acc. vṛkyam ( &lt; *-iH-ém)<br />gen. vṛkyas ( &lt; *iH-ós )</p><p>devī- &#39;godess&#39; is Proterodynamic</p><p>nom. devī (&lt; *-iH)<br />gen. devī-m (&lt; *-iH-m)<br />acc. devyās (&lt; *-iéH-s)</p><p>The most striking of this is, that 2 perfectly feminine words, perfectly animate and all, have two different flections <em>and</em> on top of that, one takes the nominative marker *-s while the other doesn&#39;t.</p><p>I&#39;m imagining that at some earlier indo-european stage some cluster *Hs must have assimilated or something along those lines. But I have not quite figured out how these paradigms would work pre-syncope. And rather than leaving you all in the dark, I thought I&#39;d post this up, and see if any readers have bright ideas where the nom. *-sg comes from, or why it is absent.</p><p>Beekes doesn&#39;t reconstruct it for PIE as far as I can tell. But then we would have to assyume quite a bizarre analogy. But any thoughts are welcome!<br /></p>   <p style="clear:both;"> 
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        <p>One of the great annoyances about the Dutch language, is that the definition of the &#39;correct&#39; standard languages is rather different from what we actually speak. This has to do with the standardisation of the Dutch language when the first bible translation was introduced. Dutch was morphed into some sort of mixture between Latin and Dutch, giving rise to new case forms and constructions previously unheard of in Dutch. </p><p>By now making a distinction between masculine and feminine is finally on its way out; and writing cases has been abolished for some time too. Nevertheless some things persist. Some people insist on making a difference between a dative and accusative third person pronoun <em>hun</em> and <em>hen</em> (I&#39;m not even sure which of the two is which), which were originally just two dialectal variants of the same word. But were taken to be used as two different cases to facilitate a more accurate representation of the Greek language.</p><p>Another truly, and even, far more common &#39;correction&#39; that is made to people&#39;s speech is the comparative.</p><p>In English we would write the following sentence:<br />He doesn&#39;t have more children than me.</p><p>&#39;than me&#39;; perfectly normal to use &#39;me&#39; here, which is what all other germanic language do, except for &#39;correct&#39; Dutch. We&#39;re supposed to say:</p><p>Hij heeft niet meer kinderen dan ik.</p><p>IK, nominative! Why? Because apparently you&#39;re supposed to fill in the rest of the sentence as follows:</p><p>Hij heeft niet meer kinderen dan ik heb.<br />or in English: He doesn&#39;t have more children than I have.</p><p>But English has no problem changing pronominal case here, why should we? And then when we look at <em>actual</em> spoken dutch we indeed find:</p><p>Hij heeft niet meer kinderen dan mij. As we would expect it. I had a previous suspicion that this must have been a early-modern dutch prescriptivist innovation, and as it turns out, I&#39;m right. In Middle Dutch texts we find this sentence written in 1200 AD:</p><p><em>Hine hadde niet meer kinder dan mi</em><br />He-NEG had NEG more children than me.</p><p>So, the &#39;dan ik&#39; construction is historically wrong. This never seems to convince prescriptivists though. Even if the construction wasn&#39;t historically wrong though. Why would anyone say that something that 90% of the population says is &#39;incorrect&#39;. By which standard are you measuring language? Isn&#39;t language defined by the people who speak it? If it isn&#39;t, then what <em>does</em> tell us what language is? Because clearly language itself can&#39;t be used since it has no authority over what language is according to these prescriptivists. Do they really think grammar books come falling from the sky through some divine intervention?</p><p>There&#39;s an enormous contradiction here. I believe language should be spoken the way it is spoken, not the way some 17th century theologist would like to see us speak some pseudo-latin-dutch hybrid monster.<br /></p>   <p style="clear:both;"> 
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        <title>#8 *k(ʷ)ert- ~ *gʰerdʰ-</title>   
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*k<sup>(w)</sup>ert- is glossed in LIV as &#39;binden&#39;. It is only found
in Ved. <em>cṛtáti</em> &#39;he binds&#39;. 
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*gʰerdʰ- is glossed &#39;umschließen, umgürten&#39;. It is found in ON as
<em>gyrða</em> &#39;to gird&#39;. Also often found denominaly like in Dutch
<em>gordel </em>&#39;girdle&#39; from *gʰrdʰ-lo-. Also related is Skt. <em>gṛha-</em>
&#39;house&#39; and OCS <em>gradъ</em> &#39;city, garden&#39;.</p>
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Both roots are mainly found in Ø-grade. But in gothic we find <em>gairda</em>
&#39;girdle&#39; which actually points to an *e-grade.</p>
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